plato and diogenes talk
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plato and diogenes talk

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2026/01/03

scene: a marketplace. diogenes is sitting in a barrel. plato approaches with several scrolls and a headache.

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plato: good afternoon, diogenes. the polis is once again collapsing into epistemic tribalism. i have constructed a two-axis model to explain why.

diogenes: i have constructed a fart to explain why you’re wrong.

plato: see, this is why dialogue fails.

diogenes: no, dialogue fails because you think people care about truth more than their vibes.

plato: …that is uncomfortably close to my conclusion.

diogenes: you’re welcome.

act i — the axes

plato: humans vary along individuality vs communitarianism, and hierarchy vs egalitarianism.

diogenes: so everyone is either a sheep, a wolf, a ladder, or a rug.

plato: in a sense.

diogenes: and the sheep think they are wolves.

plato: statistically, yes.

act ii — existential risk

plato: nuclear war and climate cascades pose real threats to civilization.

diogenes: burgers do not.

plato: correct.

diogenes: you listed burgers anyway.

plato: i had a moment.

diogenes: hive mind moment.

act iii — the hive

diogenes: everyone pretends to be unique while sharing the same thoughts.

plato: that’s called mass individuation.

diogenes: that’s called bullshit.

plato: peer review disagrees.

diogenes: peer review is the hive in robes.

act iv — misinfo & kahan

plato: we discovered that people protect identity more than facts.

diogenes: congratulations, you reinvented drunken arguments.

plato: we published it.

diogenes: that makes it worse.

act v — metaphysics

plato: consciousness itself is the root of suffering.

diogenes: no, it’s having too much time and not enough goats.

plato: my point stands.

diogenes: your point is wearing shoes it didn’t earn.

act vi — individuation

plato: society requires stability.

diogenes: yes.

plato: stability is a moral good.

diogenes: also yes.

plato: therefore—

diogenes: but anyone who worships stability becomes its prisoner, and anyone who ignores it becomes its victim.

plato: …write that down.

act vii — universal love

diogenes: by the way, i experience transcendent joy and universal love.

plato: i omitted that for methodological reasons.

diogenes: coward.

final scene

plato: so where do you place yourself on the axes?

diogenes: i reject the axes. i prefer the barrel.

plato: i am high individualist with soft hierarchy.

diogenes: you’re a nerd with nice intentions.

plato: and you are?

diogenes: a man who refuses precompiled maps.

plato: that sounds lonely.

diogenes: yes. the view is excellent.

plato: do you think the hive mind wins?

diogenes: no. but it makes a lot of noise before it gets bored.

plato: and what should we do?

diogenes: keep our minds free, our goats fed, and our maps provisional.

plato: jefferson was a guy.

diogenes: finally, something true.

curtain.